FLUX AUDIO: Feb 15 2012 Dating that Leads to Marriage part 2
February 15 2012
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Cliff continues the two week series talking about dating and marriage. In this podcast Cliff discusses some key signs to show if a couple is ready to move into marriage. Our intern Danny T and Daniel and Stephanie from the FLUX answer your questions as well!
Read MoreDating That Leads to Marriage with Cliff and Erin Ursel (Audio and Additional Q&A)
February 8 2012
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These are the Questions we received from those who attended the ‘Dating that leads to marriage Part I’ talk with FLUX Pastor Cliff and his awesome and amazing wife, Erin. We focused the night around the theme of: Baggage Free Dating, so many of the questions came from that talk – we’ve posted the entire night’s talk and the Q & A for you, but we didn’t even get close to answering all the questions. Below are all the questions we received, typo’s and all! We will do our best to answer each question. BTW: these are great questions, we posted them in hopes that your questions will help others wondering the same things.
1. You spoke about a girl being in submission to her father. What if a father isn’t present in her life?
Cliff: You bring up a sad reality for many. There are many who don’t have godly leadership exercised over them, whether it’s b/c of divorce, death, or an absentee father – anyway you look at it, it’s sad. For those who have given their lives to Christ, they have a father in heaven. This heavenly father watches over His kids (2 Chron. 16:9; Ps 34:15), He loves us too (1 Jn 4:19; Rm 8), also we have godly father figures in the Bible. People like Paul even encourage us to use him as a role model (1 Cor 11:1, Phil 3:17). Things that are important for a daughter to receive from her dad: protection, love, advice, God has made a way for those who don’t have a dad.
ERIN: Nicely said, Clifford. 
2. If you have a (godly?) needy girlfriend, how can you encourage her to pursue a relationship with Christ, and help her put God back in the centre of her life?
Cliff: I realize the word ‘needy’ can mean so many different things. If your girlfriend is requiring constant contact with you (whether thru text, phone or face to face). At the risk of sounding over simplistic: people are ‘needy’ for 2 possible reasons. 1) Self-centeredness, You can encourage her, pray for her, you can give her some Bible verses to help, but at the end of the day, you can’t do a whole lot more. 2) Something traumatic happened. Victims of rape and other abuses that leave serious emotional and even physical scars require professional help. If that’s the case, you are in over your head, I would encourage her to get professional help.
ERIN: The first thing is to talk about it. Let her know you see it and what it looks like in her. Set some boundaries for yourself in how your relationship with her will look. You can’t force her to have a relationship with God but you can decide what YOUR relationship with God will look like and then consequently where that leaves this relationship. If your girlfriend doesn’t have a relationship with God, then everything else is a symptom. Remember that if these issues aren’t dealt with they will continue on in marriage. Don’t date people you wouldn’t marry. That might mean this relationship is over. You probably already have a sense of what to do next or at least whether or not you have a future with this girl.
3. You referred to unhealthy emotional attachments for guys, what kind of attachments are we talking about? What does that look like?
Cliff: Sometimes people put too much responsibility on the person they love. Responsibilities like: they need to make me happy, they need to make me ok, stuff like that. We develop unhealthy attachments with the people we are dating when we charge them with tasks, and give them positions in our life that is only reserved for God. Breaking up from this kind of relationship is devastating, you are suffering from more than a break up, you are having a legitimate crisis b/c the center of your life was just taken from you – that’s going to leave a lot of baggage for anyone to get through.
ERIN: Emotional attachments in dating are the same as when you are married and you have emotional attachments with someone other than your spouse. This would be anything in dating that is sinful whether experienced physically or in your heart. It usually starts with inappropriate/sinful contact over the internet, texting, phoning and then leads to acting that out when you eventually spend time together. That’s why a great hedge to avoid emotional attachment would be that you commit to never say/text over the phone or email anything that you wouldn’t be comfortable with anyone else hearing or seeing. Doors always open when you are on the phone, emails accessible to others, etc. We feel way more adventurous when we aren’t speaking face to face. We cross so many lines when we are texting/typing. Emotional attachments start quietly and quickly. Once on this path, it’s hard to get off. So setup hedges beforehand to protect yourself before it happens.
4. Is there any hope for anyone who has had sex and still struggles with sexual sin?
Cliff: YES!! Firstly, there is hope spiritually, read 1 Jn 1:9 – because of what Jesus did on the cross, we have forgiveness! Romans 12:1-2 encourages us to not cave into how pop culture tell us how to act, but rather our minds can be ‘renewed’. Sexual sin leaves scars, but I believe that Rm 12:2 gives us hope that even where there are scars, there can be healing, hope; New thoughts and new though patterns will come as we spend time with God and His Word, the Bible. We live in fallen world, which means you may always be tempted in this way – sexually. Rm 7:15-20 shows us that Paul struggled the way we all do, with our sinful nature, Paul tells us in Gal 5:16-25 that we need to exercise some self-discipline, restraint, and spiritual wisdom. Know this, the Bible celebrates sex between a husband and wife. My hope is that when you get married, your sexual appetite will be directed, and shared with your spouse and that what is a struggle now will only be until marriage.
ERIN: What he said.
5. So where is a realistic place to be looking for an eligible partner given the reality of school and work where we don’t know someone’s religious affiliations?
Cliff: When I read your question I am making some conclusions, and I’m not sure if I am being fair. Firstly, I believe that God is involved in all the details of our lives, including who we meet. With that in mind, you can meet an awesome, godly person pretty much anywhere because God is involved. Secondly, just meet people without the looking at them as ‘a potential partner’ – that’s a lot of pressure. Get to know them, learn about their spiritual convictions and what they’re like. A lot of the important questions, like spiritual compatibility, physical attraction, personality, etc. will get clearer for you. If everything seems to make sense, pray about it and see how God is leading.
ERIN: I really think that a lot of our poor dating decisions really boils down to a lack of trust in God. We say we believe in Him but we don’t quite believe that He is at work in all the details of our lives. We pray for a future spouse but we work just as hard to find him/her without considering God’s Sovereignty and timing. If we truly trust God we don’t strive to make things work or manipulate to get things our way. Do your trust God? Then live for Him. Pursue Him. Seek first HIS Kingdom.
6. How does one deal with pursuing a relationship w. a Christian that has baggage? They can’t possibly be ‘untouchable’ to the rest of the Christian male population.
Cliff: Like the last question, in reading your question I may be coming to some unfair conclusions with what you are really asking, (sorry if that’s the case). At the risk of sounding harsh, your question sounds really presumptuous and disrespectful to women. To call a woman ‘untouchable’ to the male population makes a woman sound like a piece of meat. If you are unable to have a deep, caring, God honoring and woman honoring relationship w.o touching her, then you are missing some core parts of having a relationship. I feel that you are making the question about you and what you want and you are not considering what the other person might be going through.
ERIN: Okay, I read this question a little differently than Cliff. So, If your girlfriend/boyfriend has baggage and you have an honest and open relationship discussing it and working through it, then great. If you can’t get over your ‘partner’s’ past, that’s your issue, not theirs. We know that where sin increased, grace abounded all the more (Rom 5:20). So… if you are able to be in a relationship with someone that has a past – great. God is able to have a relationship with us – and we all have a past as well. (Rom 5:8; But God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.) For many of us, our baggage is the reason we understand redemption so powerfully. Many people consider themselves above God’s grace because they don’t see sin in themselves. I think that’s a bigger issue.
7. So say you have your Christian life on a firm foundation. Given that dating is strictly for the goal of marriage, how does the lack of dating experience come into play as a turnoff to the opposite sex if you end up getting quite old? It’s great to have a strong faith, but being awkward in a relationship could possibly deter all others from the opposite sex.
Cliff: I think you are making some wrong assumptions. #1 Someone w/ a lot of dating experience is a ‘turn-on’. If you are looking for that young hottie that will fulfill all your fantasies, therefore you need someone who is experienced, I think you are buying into a lie. #2 Dating someone with little or no dating experience can be awesome, you fall in love with the person, not with how they turn you on. #3 Young doesn’t mean eligible. I’ve seen older people discover love and marriage, in fact a few years ago I married a couple who are in their 70’s – they found love in their very old age!
ERIN: Never heard of this happening. Although dating should always have marriage in mind, friendships with members of the opposite sex are healthy and preferable. If you are awkward in a relationship with the opposite sex then that means you haven’t been enjoying the community of brothers and sisters in Christ in your local church. Being ‘experienced’ has nothing to do with comfortability with a guy/girl. In fact, if you are that awkward, chances are you probably wouldn’t have any ‘experience’ anyways. Again, God knows your personality and He is gracious. If/when you get married, He’ll be walking right down the aisle with you.
8. Don’t you love someone based on how you feel, not what god thinks? Why not take a risk in a chance that you do find true love? Why do I have to date biblically> What if the guy is an atheist or a J.W, can I marry him?
Cliff: In short, b/c your heart will lie to you (Jer 17:9). When King David walked out on his deck and saw Bathsheba bathing, his heart lied to him. His heart said, ‘you must have that beautiful woman’, that’s how every affair happens. When you want to steal something, your heart lies to you and tells you that you ‘deserve’ that item you want to steal – that is how every theft starts. Why date biblically, so both you and your dating partner can grow an awesome relationship w.o any baggage. Can you marry the guy if the guy is a J.W depends on your convictions, according to the bible no (see 2 Cor 6:14). I have seen sooooo many relationships go badly b/c people make this concession, they date/ marry someone with a different set of convictions, what usually happens is compromise, and that compromise affects the relationship.
ERIN: Feelings fade. Emotions change. One day you are up, one day you are down. Love is not a feeling. Lust is a feeling. Infatuation is a feeling. LOVE IS A DECISION. You don’t feel love towards everyone, everyday. Circumstances change, some days you are impatient other days you are generous. We live too much of our lives on emotionalism. That’s why as Christians we choose to love. We get married not because we feel fuzzy towards our spouse but because we choose to love them forever. We change in our marriage, we get old and saggy (not saying i am, but i hear it happens!) so if you have chosen to love this person ‘til death do us part then you will. I love my kids on their beautiful days and their ugly days… not because I’m so wonderful or because they are so lovable but because I choose to. And when Cliff is driving me nuts or the kids are driving me crazy – i get on my knees and ask God for grace to love to accept them today. My heart gets worked on as the Holy Spirit changes me to be more like Christ. I have to do this all the time.
9. (Erin gave an example where if we are afraid for someone to have our cell phone b/c we fear what they might find in our phone) It’s everyone’s right to privacy, and ownership, so grabbing someone’s phone is a violation. Typically a person reacts that way b/c they feel violated w/o warning. It’s not necessarily that the person has anything to hide, what if I don’t want people seeing what I say to my parents? It’s not black and white, this isn’t a question it’s more of a comment. BTW: great decorations around the room.
Cliff: Thanks for noticing the decorations, we try ☺. Though you made a comment, let me comment on your comment. I think you missed what Erin was suggesting. She wasn’t saying that everyone has a right to snatch someone else’s phone and snoop through it, if that were the case I totally agree with you, that is an invasion of privacy and it’s wrong. But, Erin was talking about having a relationship with someone you know and trust, and asking that person to help you live godly by way of accountability. The person (not anyone) that you trust, the person that you have given permission for the purpose of helping you make wise, smart and godly decisions they should be able to check up on how you are doing – that’s what she was getting at and she used the phone as an illustration.
ERIN: We hate accountability. We have an aversion to it. Cliff’s right – my point is about accountability and honesty. It’s not about privacy. And if you have areas in your life that you feel you want extra privacy and you find yourself whispering, hiding, covering, lying, manipulating, spinning… etc. that should be a red-flag to you that you have an issue. I think we need to be careful about justifying hiding anything. We can justify anything. This is a heart issue. Accountability can be a waste of time if it matters more to the one holding you accountable than it does to you. We can do anything we want. We can hide whatever we want. The fact that we want to should be our concern, not exactly the details of how that looks.
10. Pastor Cliff, if I already have baggages, how do I set up hedges, what if my girlfriend don’t accept the hedges?
Cliff: I think the best way to s/u hedges is to start by prayerfully consider the places where you are vulnerable. Is there a pattern to the type of sin you slip into?, when you slip into sin, are there some common denominators? Start asking questions like that and you will start to see where you are vulnerable, and that’s where you s/u your hedges. I would communicate to your girlfriend why you’ve s/u the hedges, let her know it’s for the purpose of godliness, and protecting your relationship. I’m hoping she’ll understand and even support your choices.
ERIN: if your girlfriend/boyfriend doesn’t accept your boundaries, that isn’t license to change them, however it is possibly an indicator that you aren’t compatible. Remember boundaries/hedges are for us and they aren’t something we put on others. We don’t set boundaries for other people, we set them for ourselves. Boundaries always have a related consequence. If your boundaries are pushed and disrespected, you reestablish them and take a step back further. If someone doesn’t respect your boundaries now, chances are it’s not a one time deal. We don’t typically love it when anyone sets boundaries so don’t expect to win a whole load of favor when you set hedges. Especially if it’s new to you. People take time to adjust to your new boundaries – that doesn’t mean they can disrespect them (aka ignore them) but it does mean that you can be gracious while they have their reaction. As long as you don’t feel compelled to change them to make others happy (if that would mean compromising your integrity).
11. If you’ve already had sex, then is everything ruined? Like if you have it once, then are all the other times worse since you can’t be a virgin again?
Cliff: I believe having sex outside of marriage will leave scars within you and it will scar future relationships. Scars leave visible, permanent marks from a past hurt, having said that, we can learn to live with our scars, some easier than others. I have a massive scar on my abdomen, it’s reminder of an operation, which I’ve recovered from, but my recovery isn’t 100%. No, everything is not ruined, you can have forgiveness with God, but you will carry some baggage into your marriage relationship, but until it happens, you won’t know how it will affect you. If you’ve had sex, I encourage you to stop. Too keep having sex will only cause the hurt and the eventual scar to grow more. I love how King David recovered from his sexual sin (read Ps 51), David made corrections where he could, and lived a life of repentance. If you study David, you’ll know that the scars of his sexual sin followed him, but even in that, God was gracious to David, and I believe that God will also be gracious to you.
ERIN: I think I said a little something about this on Wednesday. That’s still my answer.
12. Can you put some biblical text to support the conversation? Like Eph 5 or 1 Pet. 3?
Cliff: I’ve talked with a lot of guys that think that they should be the spiritual leader in a dating relationship, though you can model a godly lifestyle, and encourage your girlfriend in her Godly pursuit, Biblical texts like Eph 5 or 1 Pet 3 are reserved for the marriage relationship, it’s not for dating.
ERIN: We can encourage our brothers and sisters in Christ to live biblically but until we are married our dating relationships don’t fall under the Biblical marital guidelines. Once engaged, a couple needs to really work at understanding roles and responsibilities as outlined in Scripture so that both have a strong understanding going into the marriage of what is expected from each other and God.
13. Is it actually sinful to have sex before you’re married, or is the sin having sex with more than one person? If having sex before you’re married is sinful, where does the bible say that?
Cliff: Let me answer it this way, Biblically speaking, sex is permitted, and celebrated between a married man and woman. To have sex with your fiancé is sin b/c you are outside of marriage. See I Cor 6:18-20; 1 Cor 7:1-2.
ERIN: Looking at the original Biblical text, it is clear that any sex OUTSIDE of marriage is sin. If you aren’t married, that means sex with anyone is sin. Once married, sex with anyone other than your spouse is sin as well. I encourage everyone to do a topical study on sexual purity so you fully understand both God’s instruction and the ramifications. Of course any sin is separation from God so whenever we choose willful sin we are not choosing to serve God. Heart issue. If we are okay to walk in disobedience to God our actions are just symptoms. Get back on track with God and the Holy Spirit will guide you through the process of getting back on track and bringing correction to the sinful activity we have justified for our own self-gratification.
14. What is emotional sin? (Something Cliff kept referring to in the talk)
Cliff: One of the biggest types of marital unfaithfulness is not sexual affairs, but emotional affairs. People are creating these fantasy relationships with people online, at work, in the entertainment industry or wherever, these people though they haven’t physically done anything wrong, have imagined it over and over. People are having mental or emotional affairs with people that they’ve never even physically touched. I believe this is what Jesus was talking about in Mt 5:28.
ERIN: Also mentioned in #3.
15. What’s up with Christian ppl getting married so early, ppl throw away their life goals and follow love when they are young and susceptable? Do you think most young Christians have an idealized, innocent view of marriage and should wait till they are more mature?
Cliff: I think you are working off of some flawed logic. #1 To be young is to be susceptible, or naïve. Prov. 9:10; and Ps 111:10 tells us that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Js 1:5 tells us to ask for wisdom. I believe that young people can exercise great wisdom, and in the same way, I’ve known some older people who are very unwise. #2 An innocent view of marriage is bad. One of the benefits of a godly life is going into a marriage relationship without baggage and scars, what some people call maturity. Erin was 20 yrs old (I was 23) and we were innocent and had an idealistic view of marriage – we grew where we needed to, we learned and figured things out and though I have many regrets in my life, getting married young is not one of them. As a guy who married young, I don’t think I gave up anything important like life goals.
ERIN: Some people do rush into marriage. It’s not always an age thing. I know people who are 40 who aren’t ready to be married and people who are 20 who are more ready than others who are much older than them. If you are pursuing God, hearing from Him, open to Godly leadership and counsel, teachable and you have the support of your family- you are on a much better track than many people who are ‘older’ but lack the maturity that some younger, God-fearing couples have today. Maturity and wisdom are gifts from God. Age and maturity are two different things.
16. Living together before marriage seems to logically be a good way to see if you’re compatible and if u can make it work. What do u say to people who stand by that? B/C there are things u can’t learn about someone until u do live in the same space.
Cliff: What do I say to people who think that living together is a good way to see if they are compatible? I think they are making a huge mistake. Studies are now being done proving that people living common law before marriage are no better off that couples who wait. I think you touched on an important point, learning about someone. You can get to know someone very well and not live with them, just like I know of couples who have lived together for years and they don’t know each other at all. The question is how do you interact with each other? Do you take the time to talk, ask questions, are you transparent and honest? I think those are things that any couple considering marriage should do to learn about each other.
ERIN: There are always reasons (or justifications) for doing things our way. Again, it comes back to our trust in God. Do you believe that God’s way is best? Do you believe that God is good? Do you think God’s Word is for us today? Then it’s easy, we trust Him and His Word. We do what the Bible says because we believe His will for us is good, perfect and pleasing. Everything the Bible says is countercultural but it doesn’t make it outdated or irrelevant. All the justifications in the world don’t make living un-Biblically acceptable. Remember Romans 12:1-2; I appeal to you therefore, brothers (and sisters), by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
17. What’s the best method for solving conflicts once married? My brother married a girl who turned out to be not nearly as sexual in nature as he. Since they were pure until marriage the problem blindsided them and caused a lot of problems. How could a couple prevent this problem or identify it while dating?
ERIN: A good pre-marital course is a good start but so many new things come up after you are married. It is great for a young couple to have an older couple who has been married for a longer time to have an ongoing honest relationship with to discuss these sorts of things before the effects are too tragic. (Feelings of rejection are very hard to deal with.) Sometimes there’s a greater issue (sexual past, abuse, etc.) that will require some counseling, healing, restoration. Professional help would be necessary. However something else that we have seen is that men (especially if they have watched a lot of porn or have an active sexual past) might have unrealistic expectations of sex within a marriage. Sometimes when a new wife isn’t ‘acting’ the part of a sex-maniac, that the husband has come to fantasize about because of his unhealthy sexual habits, he begins to feel like his wife has issues. When in fact he is the one that needs healing. Please remember, the pornography industry is another way that Satan tries to destroy God’s gift of marriage by deceiving us into choosing a counterfeit of God’s perfect design for sex.
Cliff: I think Erin pretty much covered it.
18. Is there ‘the one’ and can we possibly ‘choose’ the wrong partner? Or can we love anyone if we both agree each other is worth loving?
Cliff: OK, you’ve asked a few questions, and all of them are loaded. Can we choose the wrong partner? YES we can, but maybe for different reasons than you were thinking. 2 Cor 6:14 tells us to marry people with the same spiritual conviction, Prov 4-6 talk about the type of guy and girl to avoid, likewise, Prov 31 describes what kind of woman, and man to marry. If we choose to ignore those types of bible verses and marry the type of person the Bible says not to, then we just chose the wrong partner. As far as ‘the one’….i hate to burst your bubble – but I don’t think there is ‘the one’ – besides, that puts a lot of pressure on a person. I think a person that possesses the awesome, Godly qualities that Bible describes are the things that are key. There are lots of beautiful, smart, funny people in the world, but which of them possess Godly qualities? Erin already mentioned that love is more of a decision than a feeling and she’s totally right. Find a person with those kind of convictions and I believe you can have an awesome, loving, fulfilling marriage.
19. How far is too far?
ERIN: Cliff mentioned last night that we each need to live by our own convictions. If one couple knows that holding hands instantly leads to sinful thoughts and actions, then they know their boundaries and should stick to it. Definitely limiting alone time is a great idea and obviously any touch that is directly sexual is crossing the line. Legalism isn’t the best approach here. We all know when we are crossing a line and if you set those hedges before you are in a situation that has you past the ‘point of no return zone’ then you can avoid going too far.
Cliff: The sobering truth is this: Jesus told us in Mt 5:28 that we can go too far w/o even touching someone, that’s a little scary. I know that it gets really hard to put the brakes on, that’s why Song of Songs 2:7; 3:5 and 8:4 keeps telling us to not awaken love before its time. Why does it say that? B/C it’s hard to put the brakes on when things are getting hot and heavy!! Too many couples have accumulated serious baggage b/c they keep flirting with this idea. We need to consider what’s at stake and ask ourselves ‘is it worth it?’. I want to encourage people to not awaken love until it’s time – and the time for love to be awakened is when you marry.
20. How much should you model marriage in dating? How far do you take biblical gender roles?
ERIN: I think #12 answers this as far as biblical gender roles in dating. However we do take biblical gender roles in marriage seriously. God created men and women equal but different. We have different roles and responsibilities that don’t limit us but liberate us. When we embrace our roles we are free to be who God created us to be. Biblical roles are God’s idea and if we truly trust God we will embrace them.
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We are going to be taking a two week break from our current series ‘The Ten Commandments,’ and be looking at a two part series on dating titled, ‘Dating that leads to Marriage.’ On February 8 Pastor Cliff will start the series of by talking about having a purpose in dating. The following week he will conclude the series by talking about, moving past casual dating.
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This study will force you to answer the question: ‘why do I do the things I do?’ This study will force you to consider what you believe and how that plays out in your everyday life. For some it will be confirmation of the direction you’re going, to others, this series will expose some areas in your life that you will need to pay particular attention to before things get out of hand.
In this series you will hear the preaching team (Jonathan N, Daniel G, Dan T, Noah B and this series will introduce a new member to the team: Dan B.). Also, Andrewm & the worship team (which is way too many too many for me to remember) are ready. Also, to give you an opportunity to talk through this stuff, and to meet new people we plan to have 1 or 2 break up Wednesday’s.
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Cliff
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cliff@theflux.ca
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